Ep. #80 The Hidden Meanings in Relationships w/ Deborah Lukovich, Ph.D

Deborah Lukovich, Ph.D

Deborah Lukovich holds a PhD in Depth Psychology which focuses on understanding the nature of the unconscious. She is a coach, author, blogger, and podcaster where she offers insights and teachings to help people explore the deeper meaning of life through stories, conversation, and education.

Deborah is back to discuss her latest framework for understanding relationships from a depth psychology perspective using the 3 P’s: Purpose, Projection, Permanence.

“These three words capture every aspect of relationship between all human beings, but they just play out more dramatically in those of a romantic nature.”

Looking at relationship dynamics and interactions through the lens of purpose, projection, and permanence provide a deep way of understanding what is really going on and together they can work towards a deeper connection, growth, and fulfillment.

In this episode, Deb and Shane discuss the hidden purpose and deeper meaning of relationships, how projection largely determines the way we relate to each other, and how clinging to the idea of permanence can be destructive.

“We often don’t discover the deeper purpose of a relationship until after one has ended. Or if we’re lucky, we get a little glimpse when we have the humility to explore a conflict or dissatisfaction rather than avoid it. It can feel mind blowing to discover this ulterior motive that has been hiding from the ego, which thinks it knows exactly why we do what we do.”

Your Soul is Talking. Are You Listening? 5 Steps to Uncovering Your Hidden Purpose

“Has something in your life fallen apart? Do you crave more meaning and purpose? Maybe you’re struggling with divorce, addiction, job loss, or depression, or just curious about a recurring dream or odd coincidences that keep showing up. These are all ways your Soul reveals clues about your deepest desires.

In her book, Your Soul is Talking: Are You Listening? author and coach Deborah Lukovich, wants to get you excited about exploring the most important final frontier—your inner world. The Soul speaks through dreams, symbols, meaningful coincidences, relationships, films, and even depression and injuries. This book teaches you the language of the unconscious required to decode its messages.

Dr. Lukovich writes through the lens of her personal experience of midlife unraveling, and her willingness to share awkward experiences will empower you to explore your own. Conversational instruction is sprinkled with humor as she guides you to learn and apply practical approaches to tapping into the wisdom of your unconscious.“

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Deborah’s Dose of Depth Podcast:

Beyond Body Image: Psychology, Power, and the Collective Shadow – A Conversation with Clinical Psychologist, Dr. Gretchen Ames – Dose of Depth

What if the body isn’t a problem to fix, but a message to understand? In this conversation, Dr. Deborah Lukovich sits down with clinical psychologist Dr. Gretchen Ames to explore the body through a depth psychology lens—where symptoms are not isolated issues, but expressions of the whole person shaped by culture, history, and the unconscious.Some of the books mentioned during our chat: Memories, Dreams, Reflections, C.G. Jung: https://bookshop.org/p/books/memories-dreams-reflections-carl-g-jung/3fbd24905b79758c?ean=9780679723950&next=tSacred Prostitute, Nancy Qualls Corbett: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-sacred-prostitute-eternal-aspect-of-the-feminine-studies-in-jungian-psychology-by-jungian-analysts-vol-32_nancy-qualls-corbett/278770/?resultid=7aa25fb5-dfb9-438f-a049-d188764eee9d#edition=3521189&idiq=4807607Fearing the Black Body, Sabrina Springs: https://bookshop.org/p/books/fearing-the-black-body-the-racial-origins-of-fat-phobia-sabrina-strings/1b837c89155348be?ean=9781479886753&next=tAddiction to Perfection: The Still Ravished Bride, Marion Woodman:https://innercitybooks.net/bookshop/author/marion-woodman/addiction-to-perfection/https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-fat-lady-sings-a-psychological-exploration-of-the-cultural-fat-complex-and-its-effects-cheryl-fuller/7d5bf75535a4f2d5?ean=9781782204978&next=tSegment 1 – Medicalization vs. MeaningWe begin with a critique of modern psychology’s focus on diagnosis and symptom reduction, and revisit Jung’s idea that every symptom must be understood within the context of the whole person—not pathologized in isolation.Segment 2 – Chaos, Corruption, and Inner WisdomIn a time of cultural upheaval, we explore how failing systems disconnect people from their inner authority, creating fear, dependency, and a loss of trust in one’s own instincts—and why this breakdown may also signal transformation.Segment 3 – The Body as a Cultural SymbolDrawing on historical and cultural analysis, we unpack how body ideals were constructed—who benefits from them, and how race, gender, and power shaped what is considered “acceptable.”Segment 4 – Shame, Morality, and CapitalismSegment 5 – The Problem with Individual BlameSegment 6 – The Psychological Impact of Weight LossSegment 7 – The Repressed Feminine and the BodySegment 8 – A New Lens for HealingThis conversation invites a radical shift: from fixing the body to understanding it, from blaming the individual to examining the systems we live in, and from fear to a deeper relationship with inner wisdom.Are you ready for depth psychology coaching? Learn more here: https://www.deborahlukovich.com/Deborah Lukovich, PhD #DepthPsychology #JungianPsychology #BodyImage #WeightLossTruth #BodyPositivity #InnerWork Support the show

Deborah Lukovich, Ph.D

Deborah’s Dose of Depth Podcast:

Beyond Body Image: Psychology, Power, and the Collective Shadow – A Conversation with Clinical Psychologist, Dr. Gretchen Ames – Dose of Depth

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